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    No longer a Nissan Fan!

    I know this is a random thread but Its a thread anyway. I've lost 90% of my interest in the Nissan/Infiniti brand. I just cant find myself to like anything they offer besides the Q60 Coupes styling. The brand has lost its passion and so have I. There were many reasons to like Nissan in the 90's and 2000's. Everything Nissan has been doing is half ass, there just in it for the pure profit. The entire brand has gone stale. In any case I guess what I'm trying to say is I can't find any reason to like the brand at this point.

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    I feel your pain. Nissan cemented its position as a mass-market brand years ago. Styling has been stale for years, and even though they've tried to amp things up recently with the current Maxima and Murano, they haven't set the world on fire.

    Infiniti is the performance and excitement arm of the company, but buyers aren't flocking to them, either. Pricing and styling are issues, and Infiniti lacks solid brand identity. I see them as the Dodge of Nissan - quirky styling, horsepower, so-so market share.

    Nissan needs to continue bulding mass-market cars to compete with Toyota and Honda, so they have to keep their heads down and keep churning out budget cars and SUV's. Infiniti seems to have settled into being a cottage brand.

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    Due to my recent transition from a car to a truck /SUV guy due to where I know drive i have discovered areas of the brand that otherwise might have been closed to me.

    I really like the current Gen Murano.
    Any SL w/ dark interior
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    The the new Gen of Titans is awesome too.

    The Z hasnt been redesigned on a long time but still represents tremendous value IMHO.
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    I'm still a fan of the brand, but I can see why some have lost excitement. I have to admit it was quite sad to see the Enterprise lot full of Nissans and Infiniti's this week in Denver... though I was hoping to get one of them instead of the little Hyundai Accent I got. BOO!! But they seem to be making a shift away from that. I think the new CEO provides a little glimmer of hope. Though he seems to be focused on increasing profits, I think overall he wants to improve the perception of Nissan... they have to if they want to demand higher prices/offer less incentives. The Altima and QX50 are overall pretty good product and if they are any sign, things should get better product wise.

    I can't say my next purchase will be a Nissan or Infiniti product. I honestly don't know what my next car will be after my G37. No one offers a RWD V6 manual combination in a sedan I find desirable(Just can't see myself driving a BMW). I definitely would love a Q50 Red Sport though. I also find the Stinger VERY attractive. But by the time I am in the market for a new car the car scene is going to be completely different. It depends on how the new electrified Infinitis look... I may go the electrified route, not ready for electric though.

    Speaking of manuals, has anyone heard of the innovations Toyota has made with their manual in the new Corolla hatchback. PRETTY SLICK! It works with adaptive cruise control and could very well save the manual.



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    The question I like to pose to everyone that says things like "they're no longer a Nissan fan" and "Nissan isnt what it used to be". What's your alternative brand? Certainly not toyota or honda.

    It amazes me how people complain about the Nissan's sports cars being so old and say the 370Z is a dinosaur, blah, blah, blah but where are honda's and toyota's sports cars? Nissan not only has one but two authentic and very powerful sports cars that still beat super sports cars from the likes of porsche etc.

    It's like this brand cant get a break while the fakers like honda and toyota get praised all day, all honda does in their ads are self stroke themselves saying how great they are. Their designs are the worst in the industry for the most part, the new accord is ugly and is missing a front grill, acuras have that ugly inverted grill that looks like some weird proboscis monkey nose. Toyota is just doing weird designs for the sake of being different and clipping on every piece of weird shapes they can find and tacking them to the rear and back of the vehicles just for the sake of being different. Nissan is the only one of the big Japanese brands that can make unique designs that actually look good too.

    I'm still a Nissan fan and always will be. It's not only the models but the history and how they do business, I dont like the way honda does business, they are a very arrogant and self-righteous company riding on a unfounded and unwarranted reputation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NissLover View Post
    I can't say my next purchase will be a Nissan or Infiniti product. I honestly don't know what my next car will be after my G37. No one offers a RWD V6 manual combination in a sedan I find desirable(Just can't see myself driving a BMW). I definitely would love a Q50 Red Sport though. I also find the Stinger VERY attractive.

    The Genesis G70 is up and coming and will feature a manual option. Many first-drive reviews sound like those of the original G35 from many years ago-- that it matches or exceeds the German competition for thousands less. It will have the same power train options as the Stinger but in a smaller, more nimble package. Genesis overall is the brand that I think is most likely to pick up where Infiniti left off when they decided to abandon the reliable performance for less than the Germans model. CR seems impressed by their combination of reliability and overall test scores.

    The question I like to pose to everyone that says things like "they're no longer a Nissan fan" and "Nissan isnt what it used to be". What's your alternative brand? Certainly not toyota or honda.
    Toyota is acutally a good alternative now that they are sporting things up. Correct, they throw some ugly details in for seemingly no reason. The Avalon's grille destroys what otherwise would be an attractive design, for example. But the Camry is still very nice and well-proportioned, the new Carolla hatch looks way better than any compact Nissan at the moment. The thing to remember about Toyota as they stand now is that the reliability record and performance of "good ole" Nissan from 15-20 years ago is there, and you just have to swallow some jarring styling on certain models. Even the interiors aren't the cheap ****boxes that they were in most of the 00s decade.

    Lexus cars are for the most part too ugly for me to consider, even though they are softly pursuing more performance (not hardcore like Hyundai and Cadillac though). Lexus still has mostly FWD offerings and is about to kill the GS, so I am not overly impressed. The new LC and ES look very nice, the LS is so-so (ruined by WEIRD proportions and a monstrosity of a grille), and everything else makes my eye sockets bleed.

    Cadillac is a nice Infiniti alternative and has been for quite some time. They have true M and AMG fighters, which Infiniti has teased for so long and not delivered that I don't believe jack when they come out with a racy new concept anymore. Even before JdN brought his brash attitude and (in this market somewhat foolish) devotion to sport sedans above all to the brand, they were making excellent driver's cars with decent luxury touches and quality that while not Lexus, could at least match Infiniti. ATS and CTS in their current forms have been known to take out the Germans in comparisons, as Infinitis did in the 00s. Things are getting exciting again with the CT6-- a big sedan that drives like a modern BMW E38-- and the reintroduction of a Caddy-exclusive V8 in the 4.2-liter twin-turbo that will first be seen in the CT6 V-sport. The ATS and CTS are about to be consolidated into one model called CT5, and there will be new sedans positioned both above and below the CT5-CT6. The only thing that has me a tad tepid with Cadillac is unproven reliabiltiy above 100k (GM has only recently gotten their quality back), and GM is considering killing off sedans in an extreme manner like Ford just did. But they at least appear to want the Cadillac sedans to stay around.

    Another mainstream alternative to the Nissan brand-- the best among non-luxury cars-- is Mazda. Drive a current-gen Mazda3 or 6 and wow-- that's where Nissan was relative to its competition back in the 90s. Lovely affordable drivers' cars, with 6MT options, good reliability, and ever-improving interior quality. Some high-end Mazda interiors such as the CX-9, 2nd gen CX-5, and refreshed 6 are so well-done that they are drawing comparisons to BMW and Audi. I mean Napa leather and real wood or metal in a sub-40k family car! Makes Honda/Toyota/Nissan look like they aren't even trying with interior design.

    The new Honda Accord supposedly drives very well, but I'm not a fan of the styling either. Build quality is excellent based on my auto show experience, but materials and styling are so-so. HUGE back seat and trunk. Honda quality and reliability has been on a steady downhill trend since the early 00s, much like Nissan, so I wouldn't trust the powertrains or other aspects of the car to last 200k+ miles like I would a Toyota or even newer Mazdas and Hyundai/Kias. Like Nissan, they are in love with Ze Turboz and CVTs (the worst possible combination for durability and low maintenance costs). Kudos for still offering Manuel.

    As I mentioned before, the Hyundai/Kia/Genesis stuff is really impressive and will likely improve even more. 100k mile warranties, sporty and roomy midsize family sedans (stylish too! the new Camry rips off the Optima lol). A great sporty fastback in the Stinger and a legit compact sport sedan named "G" with a powerful turbo V6 and manual option amidst the Genesis luxury brand-- wow, did everyone who made Infiniti great 15 years ago go to work for Hyundai? Reliability records in JD Power, Consumer Reports, etc are competitive with Toyota and Lexus. I would NOT sleep on Hyundai Motor Corp's stuff at all. NissLover is astute to bring them into the conversation. They even are, and have been for quite some time, selling a full-size flagship RWD sedan like we keep wishing Infiniti would since the Q45 died. And let me tell you, the Genesis G90 has won over quite a few Lexus fans (check their forums) and is in many ways a better luxury car than the new Lexus LS. The midlevel G80 is like a better version of the first-gen Infiniti M35/45 (something Infiniti never gave us).

    That's about all I got for now.

    Am I still a fan of the Nissan/Infiniti brands? Honestly I'm not sure. I'm lukewarm at best right now. I want to see them recover, do well, and offer enthusiast cars (that aren't decade-old designs hanging on by a thread) again. But right now sales are declining, so decontenting everything for volume hasn't worked (Toyota realized this too). Quality and reliability are at all-time lows relative to the industry averages, and I don't sense that anyone in corporate really gives a darn. Otherwise we wouldn't see CVT everything, FWD everything (even Infiniti is about to go all-FWD... WTF?!?!), and lovely little fiascos like the '13-15 Altima, Pathfinder, and QX60 tranny failures, which remind me of early 00s Acura automatics. Oh, and the Q50/60 Red Sports have a nasty habit of throwing their serpentine belts which at minimum makes for an unexpected and messy repair in your engine bay and at maximum could destroy elements of your cooling system and fry your new VR motor. Fun!

    If you put a gun to my head I'd say the Nissan/Infiniti I loved since I was a kid died with the G37. So we're about 5 years into the wilderness now and it doesn't look like anyone leading the company has found a way out.
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    The G70 only offers the manual on the 4-cyl. Not on the V6.

    I won't say I am a fan of Kia just yet... but I am intrigued by the Stinger, more so than the G70. IF the Stinger offered a manual with the twin-turbo and the Q50 Red Sport still was auto only, I think I would take the Stinger. But Kia has some VERY good looking cars as of late. Hyundai is on the up and up for me too. I'm a little baffled by Genesis... I feel like the G70 launch is taking forever and they definitely don't have the proper product launch strategy. Also they don't know what to do styling wise. Their forward looking concepts have been all over the place.

    Overall I tend to go for the underdog, which is something I liked about Nissan in the early 2000's when Ghosn first took the helm. It gives you a fight that the comfortable brands don't have, and I think Nissan has slipped back into that comfort zone as they chased volume the last 10 years or so.

    Honestly the only thing keeping me out of a Nissan is the CVTs. If the current Maxima offered a manual, that's what I'd probably be driving. The interior is damn nice, especially in the camel color. The Murano is a solid product too, and I think the CVT is fine there... but I don't want an SUV... unless we're talking about the QX70 5.0, but Infiniti has killed that.

    Infiniti, if I could afford it, I would probably have a Red Sport... 400hp is 400hp! And I love the looks of the Q50 and I don't think the handling is any worse than the G37 despite what people have said. It's simply a more refined car. Though I am not ready to hop on the full electric bandwagon, I feel like my first actual "new car" may be electrified. So I am interested in the future of Infiniti since thats the direction they are going. I personally want to experience the feeling of instant torque you get from electric motors and have a feeling it'll win me over. I am iffy about the FWD biased future... but... I lived with and enjoyed it before in all my other cars.

    So overall, I am here to stay in regards to Nissan/Infiniti.
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    The basics of cars these days in terms of importance are:
    Apple car play
    Fuel efficiency
    Safety

    How main stream cars seem to be handling this is to spend more on these items while taking back from the previous standard driving experience.

    The cars formally offering dynamics have either gotten pricey or gone away. People just don't care that much so you pack your sellers with tech and call it a day. I don't know if Nissan is much worse than the competition but they just don't offer what I personally expect. Initial reliability is not ideal.

    It may be time to lower my expectations across the brand board?

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    Yea, overall I don't think it's a Nissan thing. Its an industry thing, in regards to what the focus is when developing these cars (I make no excuses for Nissans spotty reliability and decrease in quality on some models). It seems everyone is focusing on electrification and autonomy. Like Indemand said, no one cares about driving dynamics anymore, leaving the sliver of us that are enthusiasts and enjoy driving and the automobile screwed.
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    The G70 only offers the manual on the 4-cyl. Not on the V6.
    You're right NissLover, I dug a bit deeper and discovered this. We can thank BMW for discontinuing the manual on the F30 3-series inline-6 models. Hyundai sees no need to compete in a nonexistant market (though I think it would be cool for them to OWN this one). Manufacturers are just not willing to invest the R&D dollars into a manual transmission that can handle the big torque that these FI 6 cylinders make these days, because very few people will buy them. In other words, they're cheap and getting cheaper. Been happening since the 90s ended.

    And I love the looks of the Q50 and I don't think the handling is any worse than the G37 despite what people have said.
    No it's not worse than the G, I definitely agree. The Q50 and Q60 at the limit actually handle slightly better, and have slightly higher limits, than the G37. The early FM cars had that 50/50 distribution, but newer ones got stiffer structurally and the propensity for snap oversteer was mitigated.

    The people complaining about the V37 versus V35 and V36 handling, including myself, are unhappy with the lack of road feel and the horrible wandering stock tires. I was very critical of early Q50 reviews and what seemed to be an apparent anti-Infiniti agenda, especially with online/forum reviews (caution: fanboys ahead). However, some of the most biting criticisms turned out to be accurate when I finally drove the cars. Neither has a bit of steering feel. I only drove the 2016 models so the steering no doubt had been tweaked from the original 2014 release. Despite this, I only found it somewhat enjoyable in Sport mode. It firms it up and adds a G-like weight. But you still get no feedback. And the horrible, HORRIBLE Bridgestone runflats really do make you feel like you're driving on ice at certain speeds. I found it to be worst between 50 and 60 mph. It's actually hard to stay in lane and, when paired with the lack of road feel in the rack, makes it nearly impossible to drive straight and stress-free on a freeway.

    The basics of cars these days in terms of importance are:
    Apple car play
    Fuel efficiency
    Safety
    That's why I sprung for a BMW E39 in recent years and can't rule out going after another one. It's the antithesis of the lame new approach to marketing and building cars. The old G35s and G37s are almost as pure in this respect: very no-nonsense machines. And even that old BMW felt like it would be less of a nightmare to maintain long term (I didn't keep it, sadly) than many current cars, which pack 1,000 computers, grilles and headlights that cost $30k to replace in a front end collision, and an entire dashboard comprised of multiple thousand dollar touch screens. Yeah, no thanks.

    It may be time to lower my expectations across the brand board?
    Correct.

    Some of our more conservative members were bemoaning the upcoming autonomous age as some kind of a carpocolypse meant to attack and eventually destroy our freedom to drive ourselves. I'm not so sure about that, but even if it's not, what manufactuers are trying to spoonfeed us makes me less enthusiastic about driving myself in newer models. The really are taking any joy and excitement away, while transforming the personal automobile into a semi-autonomous 5G cellphone on wheels. Maybe we need to complain louder to all the manufacturers? I'm not sure I care enough to because I know that there are about 1,000 of us and about 5 billion who welcome the autonomous pods that let you live stream while you drive and cost $4.5 billion to repair in a 5 mph collision.

    Its an industry thing
    Yep.

    Like Indemand said, no one cares about driving dynamics anymore, leaving the sliver of us that are enthusiasts and enjoy driving and the automobile screwed.
    The writing was on the wall when BMW steering started to suck 8 years ago. Nissan is one of the worst offenders right now, but there really isn't anything to look forward to unless you're insanely rich and can afford to lease new //M and AMG cars every couple years. But that could be said for most anything in society now.
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    The biggest issue that Nissan has is not the CVT, I actually think its great in acceleration off the line, I can beat a lot of cars in my Rogue from a stand still (Mazda's on the other hand feel very underpowered to me especially the 3). Most people dont find it an issue, even Alex on autos likes it in its purest form. The cars arent Nissan's biggest issue either, they've only improved in quality and design; compared to the 6th generation Maxima, the 8th generation blows it away, any one remember how ugly the first gen Rogue was? Murano has never looked better, neither has Sentra, pretty much the same for the rest of the line up. Sports cars certainly arent Nissan's issue either cause honda and toyota dont have any, so when are we going to start talking about that en masse (let's leave Infiniti out of this because they're not done launching yet, better yet let's talk about how Lexus is still selling LFA's and acuras NSX cant outsell GT-Rs)?

    The biggest issue Nissan has is its brand image, perception and marketing. toyota and honda especially have been spewing false images of themselves for decades now. Jay Leno just released a video of him testing the original GT-R and mentioned how he wondered why Nissan wasnt know more for sports cars and sports racing and that it was an image that honda was known for despite GT-R and Nissan having far superior sports cars. Nissan comes off as a humble company but that's hurting them and there's nothing wrong with speaking about your strengths. Speaking of which, many of you paint a picture of doom and gloom for Nissan but fail to mention one area at least where the brand is shining over its Japanese rivals; Technology: autonomous drive and electric cars etc. This is where honda used to shine but Nissan is gaining and eclipsing them in some ways (I read it in articles and article comments all the time that toyota and honda are behind Nissan in this area) but Nissan needs to do a better job marking this and pushing this image. The age of the ICE is coming to an end so you all need to get over it. Infiniti is not going to build a brand new ICE platform from scratch and neither is any other automaker out there if they're smart, so not sure what you're going to do about that.

    Hyundai made a stupid move with genesis IMO, focusing on so many sedans doesnt make sense this day in age, it's not 1989 anymore and they have taken the playbook from Infiniti and Lexus when they first started back then. Reliability isnt really an issue any more so they cant user that card, they aren't pushing advanced tech ao not sure what they're big angle is, what are they the value luxury brand? Luxury car buyers want the brand image and perception that comes with the emblem on the hood. I'd be kind of embarrassed driving around in a genesis and paying that much for one, no ones gonna know what it is and if they do they wont think of it higher than an MB or even an Infiniti. It may have great features but no one wants to sit down with you to listen to the whole spiel about a luxury hyundai or kia.

    I like the direction the new CEO of Nissan is going, unfortunately it should have happened back in 1999, he is kidding himself if he thinks he can just go cold turkey and drop incentives and fleets though. The brand image should have been the focus back in 1999 with a new marketing agency and focus on reliability, quality, and technology (remember the Q45 was the first mass pro car to have a back-up camera?).
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    I have thoughts. Wish I could get rid of them. Reading the thread above reminds me how little cars have changed. Has ride improved? Has gas mileage truly improved? With all the changes over the years cars are still cars. There is a constant adaption to what the world's newest idea is but the basics of a car, not so much. I've had slow cars, fast cars, quiet cars, loud cars. The nature of cars has not changed. I continually read reviews of stating older cars are outdated but are they? Not really. Certain aspects have changed like tires or tech but you pay for it. Cars have mostly gotten smaller and are less in several areas. More so in other areas and we are sold these changes matter. Cars are cars. The CVT though sucks completely in it's implementation. It should give all it has all the time. No mimicking an automatic which is far better. The CVT weighs less and costs less. If you want a lifeless car get one of these. SUV's and Vans have always been fast off the line because they are geared to do this. They expect passengers and weight and without low gearing it would likely be dangerous. After the launch though who knows. I like a good CAFE but this is not all about diner food. We can do better.

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    To piggy back on what Brian said..
    An immaculate 1990 Q45 would make a fine modern car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nissan_Motor_Co View Post
    The question I like to pose to everyone that says things like "they're no longer a Nissan fan" and "Nissan isnt what it used to be". What's your alternative brand? Certainly not toyota or honda.

    It amazes me how people complain about the Nissan's sports cars being so old and say the 370Z is a dinosaur, blah, blah, blah but where are honda's and toyota's sports cars? Nissan not only has one but two authentic and very powerful sports cars that still beat super sports cars from the likes of porsche etc.

    It's like this brand cant get a break while the fakers like honda and toyota get praised all day, all honda does in their ads are self stroke themselves saying how great they are. Their designs are the worst in the industry for the most part, the new accord is ugly and is missing a front grill, acuras have that ugly inverted grill that looks like some weird proboscis monkey nose. Toyota is just doing weird designs for the sake of being different and clipping on every piece of weird shapes they can find and tacking them to the rear and back of the vehicles just for the sake of being different. Nissan is the only one of the big Japanese brands that can make unique designs that actually look good too.

    I'm still a Nissan fan and always will be. It's not only the models but the history and how they do business, I dont like the way honda does business, they are a very arrogant and self-righteous company riding on a unfounded and unwarranted reputation.
    Honda and Toyota are not the competitors in this space for Nissan in the US. Ford, Chevy and Dodge are the big guns here now. They are selling light years ahead of Nissan. I am a huge Z fan.. (have my own 1981 turbo with a new engine), but when sales actuals vs sales opportunity justify continuation, Nissan has a long uphill battle on their hands. Supra will likely not be considered a competitor as it will be priced in the Corvette - GTR range. Nissan have to do something huge with the Z to make it competitive.
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    Well, Ford gave up on cars. Cars are not selling. It's now all about SUV's. I'm not exactly sure what you are saying. It appears to me Nissan is going mainstream without performance as a consideration. I could be wrong. Compactish performance at the 25-35K range is anyone's bet. High performance is something else. Nissan offers nothing reasonable and I don't think the prices of the American next steps will sell too well. Like what you said they are now in the Corvette range. Nothing sells too well there. But if you can beef them up for not a bunch of cash you have something. This is where getting the American performance car probably has an edge. Parts are generally cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indemand View Post
    Well, Ford gave up on cars. Cars are not selling. It's now all about SUV's. I'm not exactly sure what you are saying. It appears to me Nissan is going mainstream without performance as a consideration. I could be wrong. Compactish performance at the 25-35K range is anyone's bet. High performance is something else. Nissan offers nothing reasonable and I don't think the prices of the American next steps will sell too well. Like what you said they are now in the Corvette range. Nothing sells too well there. But if you can beef them up for not a bunch of cash you have something. This is where getting the American performance car probably has an edge. Parts are generally cheaper.
    Ford will still produce the Mustang, though. That's about it, and that's certainly the only performance car they'll have.

    Nissan just doesn't care about performance anymore, as I sensed years ago. You feel it too and you're right.

    The new CEO is not changing this as we hoped because he's just a puppet of Ghosn's. Enjoy the Q50/60 3.0t/Red Sports because those will be the final performance cars produced by this company. It's a shame that they are so poorly executed-- they could be M and AMG killers for less but the old chassis and transmission and el-cheapo electronic wannabe-LSD (to name a few flaws) keep them from performing the way you'd think on paper.

    The Z redesign is already scrapped and it'll soon be discontinued with no replacement. The GT-R will follow suit. They're not going to bother redesigning the nearly decade-old Q70-- they'll probably just facelift it again, drop the 5.6 V8 and discontinue it in a few years. It'll be replaced with a hybrid/EV CUV.

    A member spoke a few days ago about the ICE being "dead" and welcoming the EV age. I surely do welcome the EVs, and I've posted extensively about it. Their heyday is still at least 10 years off. There is no need to half-ass your final couple generations of ICE gasoline cars while bridging the gap with equally half-assed plugins like that Q80 render thing Car and Driver just posted about. 4 cylinder and CVT with FWD bias and electric motors at the wheels is sub-Volvo. This is not luxury nor performance. Infiniti is supposed to be more than a Chevy with nicer leather.

    It's pretty clear where this manufacturer is headed, and it's a party that the enthusiast Nissan fans who carried the brand in the past are not invited to.
    Last edited by JayG35; 06-09-2018 at 02:01 AM.

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    Quickly! Let's all hurry on over to the honda and toyota dealerships, there's plenty of sports cars to choose from at those brands, I even hear they got that great front wheel drive setup, every one knows that'll beat the pants off a Porsche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayG35 View Post
    Ford will still produce the Mustang, though. That's about it, and that's certainly the only performance car they'll have.

    Nissan just doesn't care about performance anymore, as I sensed years ago. You feel it too and you're right.

    The new CEO is not changing this as we hoped because he's just a puppet of Ghosn's. Enjoy the Q50/60 3.0t/Red Sports because those will be the final performance cars produced by this company. It's a shame that they are so poorly executed-- they could be M and AMG killers for less but the old chassis and transmission and el-cheapo electronic wannabe-LSD (to name a few flaws) keep them from performing the way you'd think on paper.

    The Z redesign is already scrapped and it'll soon be discontinued with no replacement. The GT-R will follow suit. They're not going to bother redesigning the nearly decade-old Q70-- they'll probably just facelift it again, drop the 5.6 V8 and discontinue it in a few years. It'll be replaced with a hybrid/EV CUV.

    A member spoke a few days ago about the ICE being "dead" and welcoming the EV age. I surely do welcome the EVs, and I've posted extensively about it. Their heyday is still at least 10 years off. There is no need to half-ass your final couple generations of ICE gasoline cars while bridging the gap with equally half-assed plugins like that Q80 render thing Car and Driver just posted about. 4 cylinder and CVT with FWD bias and electric motors at the wheels is sub-Volvo. This is not luxury nor performance. Infiniti is supposed to be more than a Chevy with nicer leather.

    It's pretty clear where this manufacturer is headed, and it's a party that the enthusiast Nissan fans who carried the brand in the past are not invited to.
    I actually don't think they'll kill the 5.6 in the Q70. As long as they're selling a good number of QX80's, it probably costs them next to nothing to offer it in the Q70, otherwise it would have been dead by now. Also it seems to be the only car left in the class with a big N/A V8. Overheard a lady at the dealer one day saying that she didn't want to let her M56 go because she wouldn't be able to find another car with a V8 like it, then the service guy told her that the Q70 still comes with it if she wanted a newer car and she was surprised. But it'll be replaced at some point as I'm sure the QX80 will get a muscled up 3.0TT in the future and possibly a hybrid option.
    My Opin.

    Former: 2007 Nissan Altima 3.5SE Sedan 6MT [Totaled :( ]
    Current: 2013 Infiniti G37S 6MT Sedan

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by JayG35 View Post
    Ford will still produce the Mustang, though. That's about it, and that's certainly the only performance car they'll have.

    Nissan just doesn't care about performance anymore, as I sensed years ago. You feel it too and you're right.

    The new CEO is not changing this as we hoped because he's just a puppet of Ghosn's. Enjoy the Q50/60 3.0t/Red Sports because those will be the final performance cars produced by this company. It's a shame that they are so poorly executed-- they could be M and AMG killers for less but the old chassis and transmission and el-cheapo electronic wannabe-LSD (to name a few flaws) keep them from performing the way you'd think on paper.

    The Z redesign is already scrapped and it'll soon be discontinued with no replacement. The GT-R will follow suit. They're not going to bother redesigning the nearly decade-old Q70-- they'll probably just facelift it again, drop the 5.6 V8 and discontinue it in a few years. It'll be replaced with a hybrid/EV CUV.

    A member spoke a few days ago about the ICE being "dead" and welcoming the EV age. I surely do welcome the EVs, and I've posted extensively about it. Their heyday is still at least 10 years off. There is no need to half-ass your final couple generations of ICE gasoline cars while bridging the gap with equally half-assed plugins like that Q80 render thing Car and Driver just posted about. 4 cylinder and CVT with FWD bias and electric motors at the wheels is sub-Volvo. This is not luxury nor performance. Infiniti is supposed to be more than a Chevy with nicer leather.

    It's pretty clear where this manufacturer is headed, and it's a party that the enthusiast Nissan fans who carried the brand in the past are not invited to.
    If they don't give a crap about the ICE then why did they put so much money into the VCT motor int he QX50 and Altima? VCT technology was not an easy or cheap thing to develop, I am sure.
    Current:

    1981 280ZX Turbo, (failed inspection, back in drydock, HELP!!!)
    2012 G37S 6MT Black on Black.
    2013 Pathfinder Platinum Premium
    Previously Owned:

    2006 G35 6MT Black on Black.(Sold)
    2009 Murano SL (Sold)
    2004 Armada SE 4X4 (Sold)
    2000 Maxima SE 5 Speed(Sold)
    1997 Hardbody 5 Speed (Sold)
    1982 200SX 5 speed(Sold)
    1981 200SX 5 speed (Sold)
    Other Cars:
    2000 Toyota Tundra
    1995 5 speed Dodge Neon
    1981 Chevy Chevette
    1972 Buick Century

  20. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by NissLover View Post
    I actually don't think they'll kill the 5.6 in the Q70. As long as they're selling a good number of QX80's, it probably costs them next to nothing to offer it in the Q70, otherwise it would have been dead by now. Also it seems to be the only car left in the class with a big N/A V8. Overheard a lady at the dealer one day saying that she didn't want to let her M56 go because she wouldn't be able to find another car with a V8 like it, then the service guy told her that the Q70 still comes with it if she wanted a newer car and she was surprised. But it'll be replaced at some point as I'm sure the QX80 will get a muscled up 3.0TT in the future and possibly a hybrid option.
    Doubt for the weight of this car they will go 3.0. I suspect something new and bigger with a TT.

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