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Guide>Infiniti Q45>Comapro: 1st gen versus 2nd gen
We're big fans of the new 2002 Q45 and we obviously think highly of the first gen Q
considering we bought a pre-owned...errr used 1996 model over a year ago. We love the idea of a (rear)
tire smoking V-8 powered sedan for a change after being weaned on front wheel drive
cars. We've had a fairly reliable year with our 96 Q with the exception of
replacing a leaking rack and pinion. Our Q ship now has over 110,000 miles
and feels solid enough to go another 100k miles easy with some tender
loving care.
By now, the only generation of Q45s we haven't gotten our
paws on is the 1997-2001 models. So we jumped at the chance when Street
Concepts had a 2000 Q45 as part of a Kenwood Sirius satellite
stereo system test install.
This particular model year 2000 Q45 was a shade of jade green and had
50,000 miles on it. It was bone stock except for the 18" wheels/tires
and aforementioned Kenwood stereo system replacing the standard Bose set
up.
This was the perfect opportunity to do a comparison review.
Exterior Styling This area is highly subjective. Most of the editors prefer the unique
styling of the 96 Q. Some remarked it's resemblance to an Audi A8 with the
rear C pillar windows and overall profile. We love the design's underlying
subtle statement - call it stealth. We wouldn't be surprised if Audi
designers were influenced by the Japanese design.
The second gen Q seems more mainstream and over the top
- "look at me" with chrome thrown on. Prominent are the
chrome Mercedes style grab handles and huge chrome grille. We aren't crazy
about the boxy profile. It reminds us of an I30 of the same era where as
the first gen Q unlike anything else in the lineup.
Some of the female staff members actually preferred the
second generation Q to the male editors' dismay. We do like the more
modern clear xenon headlamps of the second gen Q versus the lower tech
halogen headlights of our 96 Q. Overall we prefer the classic styling of
the first gen Q.
Performance
Both Qs have dohc 32-valve V-8 engines with aluminum alloy head and block. Both
engines are part of the VH family; the VH45DE (1990-1996) displaces 4.5
liters and the VH41DE (1997-2001) displaces 4.1 liters. The VH45DE was
good for 278 horsepower and 294 lb-ft of torque at 4000 rpm. The VH45DE
lost variable valve timing due to tighter emissions rules in it's last
year - 1996. Thus some enthusiasts view 96 Q45s as slightly less
powerful. Some Q enthusiasts claim that earlier engines were probably
closer to 300 bhp but more problematic; earlier 91-93 Qs suffered from
timing chain guide and exhaust problems. So the best bet is are 94-96 cars
for reliability. With the muscular engine and refined aerodynamic
sculpting, Infiniti claims first gen Qs hitting 155 mph when new and we
believe them.
The VH41DE in the second gen Qs was slightly detuned down to 4.1 liters but regained
a less aggressive form of variable valve timing and was down to 266 bhp
but lost some pounds (3,879 pounds vs. 4,039).
From seat of the pants impressions, the 96 Q feels stronger and torquier
but is slightly louder and not as smooth as the 2000. The VH45DE does feel
smooth but is a bit coarser than we expected. The newer Q's VH engine is
buttery smooth and quiet but doesn't quite have the thrust of the VH45DE. On the freeway the differences are negligible until you stab the
accelerator.
The first gen Qs had front and rear multi-link suspension whereas second
gen Qs moved to a front strut and rear multi-link suspension. You'll be
able to tell the difference on pot hole infested roads. Our first gen Q is shod with
standard tire/wheel setup and absorbs bumps quite well with minimal impact
harshness. The 2000 Q was
fitted with 18" wheels making the ride a bit more jittery so this maybe
comparing apples and oranges.
Both Qs handle well but the 96 Q seems more nimble and manageable around
corners even for a big sedan. Since our 96 Q is a base model, there's a
bit more body roll than we want. The 2000 Q seems more cumbersome
next to the 96 Q.
However the steering on the 96 Q is a bit more precise and
accurate. If we had more time with a second gen Q we could
figure out how to best throw it around corners.
Interior
The interior of the 2001 Q could be the most visible indicator of Nissan's downwards
spiral in the late 90s (before the bail out). The inside of the
newer Q is just too simple and shares a lot of similar buttons and switch
gears parts with "lesser" Nissan vehicles. Infiniti did attempt to gussy up the Q
in its last two model years by introducing chrome instrument gauge bezels and
restoring its signature analog clock. Short of a total redesign, Infiniti couldn't turn
things around. We especially like the chrome accents on the vent controls. While the quality
Of materials used are great, they were not appropriate for a flagship car of
Its stature.
Power seat controls mounted on the bottom side of the seat make adjustments difficult. Both cars include power tilt and telescoping steering wheels. Did we mention, the steering wheel on the 2000 Q seems like it was sourced from a Maxima? The driving position is not quite as sporty as the 96 Q with the taller boxier dashboard.
The 2000 Q does offer a bit more cabin room, duo-tone interior, power rear windshield sun
shade and automatically
closing power trunk but we felt betrayed by a lack of distinctiveness.
The 96 Q's interior may be outdated but check out the easily accessed power seat controls mounted on the site and even power front head rests (not even found on 2002 Qs). Sure the 96 lacks an in-cabin
CD changer but the standard Bose system beats any late 90s Infiniti Bose system hands down - we've listened to another 2001 Q45 and can testify to
that fact. However, the Kenwood system in our test Q is a different animal
with a DVD GPS navigation and unbeatable clean sound. (Read more about the
Kenwood system...)
The quality of the interior materials on the 96 Q is also excellent - our leather seats
and door trim remain
in excellent condition. The soft touch plastics on the a-pillars and dash remain in
good supple shape. The only area of wear is on the driver's door
where the leather is wrinkling. The trunk is a bit smaller than we
like but it will fit most luggage and boxes.
Sitting inside the 96 feels more like a proper European sports sedan than
the Cadillac position of the second gen Q. Credit goes to the beefy seats, Jag-like
gated shifter, and oversized side mirrors.
Conclusion
The second gen Q isn't a bad car but isn't a great car compared to it's predecessor.
If you're looking for a used Q with lower mileage, you'll probably want a
second gen Q at a higher cost. However, if you are willing to spend a bit more for upkeep,
get a 94-96 Q. You can easily
pick up a 1994-1996 Q45 under $13k these days. Just count on spending one
two grand to keep it running well.
Pssttt...don't tell too
many people. Let's keep it our little secret.
Configuration:
Four door sedan
Rear wheel drive
Model:
Base
Engine:
4.5L V-8 (278 bhp)
0-60 mph:
Est. 7.2 sec.
Base pricing:
Est. $12,999 (90,000 miles)
Original pricing:
$50,000
2000 Infiniti Q45
Configuration:
Four door sedan
Rear wheel drive
Model:
Base
Engine:
4.1L V-8 (266 bhp)
0-60 mph:
Est. 7.6 sec.
Base pricing:
Est. $25,999 (50,000 miles)
Original pricing:
$55,000